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An interesting day from a cloud modification standpoint, one that doesn’t happen very often

Every once in a great while, we have days where fairly thick clouds do not produce even a sprinkle, even though their tops are a little below  freezing, but not quite cold enough for natural ice to form.  Yesterday was one of those days.

And it was a day you, a cloud maven junior member,  could likely have done something about it:  rented a small plane or helicopter capable of flying up to around 15,000 kft ASL,  taking a bag of commercially available dry ice pellets, then drop them into the fattest, highest Cumulus tops you saw while nipping them in VFR flight mode, and, “violet!”,  ice would have formed along the path of the falling dry ice pellets!

So what were the ingredients that  made yesterday so special for a little renegade cloud seeding?

The clouds that did not rain were pretty thick for ones that didn’t rain naturally, maybe 5,000 to 6,000 thousand feet thick in their maximum “overshooting” tops, and temperatures at top were a little below freezing, but warmer than -10° C.  At lower top temperatures ice would likely have formed naturally.  Here’s the annotated TUS sounding from yesterday afternoon from IPS MeteoStar:

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The 00 Z (5 PM AST) rawinsonde from TUS, typically launched about 3:30 PM AST. The upward pointing arrow shows what the in-cloud temperature would have been like. The lapse rate, from aircraft measurements is virtually never along the “pseudoadiabatic temperature line (one of which is where the horizontal arrow heads are), but somewhere between that and the dry adiabatic temperature lines that show the temperature drop in a rising dry parcel of air (one of which is where the upward pointing arrow begins). Cumulus protrusions carry the boundary layer air from the surface, that air that forms the Cumulus clouds, into the stable,, and warmer overlying air. So, protruding tops sink like a stone; don’t stay long at their lowest temperature, also hurting the chances that ice will form. That’s why you have to do it.

Here’s how it works:  the dry ice pellets, themselves at -72° C, will chill the air it comes in contact with to -40° C, resulting in the formation of jillions of tiny ice crystals in each pellet’s wake, which are then spread over a wider region in the following minutes due to turbulence in the cloud.  In essence, each pellet is creating a tiny,  vertical “contrail” in that cloud, as least in those upper parts of the cloud below freezing.  (Bases yesterday were a little above freezing, around 2° C, while the highest afternoon tops locally appeared to run between -5° and -10° in clouds that were forming in more haze and smoke than usual (wonder if you noticed that?)  Haze and smoke tend to reduce droplet sizes, and in doing that, make it harder to form ice and rain, especially in marginal clouds for that, such as we had yesterday.

What happens next is that the “supercooled” water in the cloud evaporates around those crystals due to the dry ice bombardment, while the crystals take up that evaporated vapor.   When the crystals get large enough, they may collide with some remaining cloud droplets, if there are any around.  Usually all those crystals that have formed will not left too many droplets in their vicinity.

As the crystals grow in size, and because they are in such high concentrations, they will bump into one another and form clusters of ice crystals we call snowflakes.    Cloud Maven Person has, along with Professor Doctor Lawrence F. Radke, the latter the  “Flight Scientist” in those days with the University of Washington Huskies’ Cloud Physics Group1 in the late 1970s,  made snowflakes the size of pie plates (fluffy light ones without a lot of water content) in Cumulus clouds like yesterday’s here.

IMO you would have created not something of much importance, but rather just an annoying sprinkle or very light shower for those out hiking,  horseying around on their horses, biking the trails,  on an otherwise perfect day for outdoor activities.

One of the problems, long known about in such seeding experiments as could have taken place yesterday, is that the cloudy air is moving THROUGH the cloud, exiting at the downwind location.  That is, lower clouds in particular, move SLOWER than the air itself2.

So, you drop some dry ice in a nice turret, the air you dropped it is, along with that turret’s air, will be moving downwind and is going to go out into clear air eventually.    So, if the crystals don’t stay in a turret and upward moving air, but goes out the side of the cloud or into “shelf clouds” like yesterday, those crystals/snowflakes aren’t going to grow much, and will remain “light and fluffy” even though they could be huge because they are like “powder snow” not a lot of water mass in them.   When they melted at cloud base, they might end up being just drizzle-sized drop (less than 500 microns across) or very small raindrops.  So, that’s why you would likely have gotten just a sprinkle or very light rain shower had you done some unlawful, renegade cloud seeding yesterday.  Remember, just like when you hike in the State Land Trust areas, you need a permit to seed legally.

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Yesterday’s clouds

7:02 AM. Tall, but not so tall as to form ice, Cumulus clouds boil up off the Catalinas. Made you think some Cumulonimbus clouds might form later on. They didn't.
7:02 AM. Tall, but not so tall to form ice, Cumulus clouds boil up off the Catalinas. Made you think some Cumulonimbus clouds might form later on. They didn’t.
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10:26 AM. Disorganzied Cumulus still lurking on on the Catalinas, but the main thing here is how much smoke was in the air when you might have been expecting a very clean morning due to the previous evening’s thunderstorms and rains. Very upsetting to this smoky scene.
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10:27 AM. Looking NE at some Cumulus congestus, no ice evident from this view, but I would not rule it out, Forgot to check radar to see if there was an echo with this cloud.
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2:10 PM. By mid-afternoon skies started to look a little threatening with a Cumulus congestus having formed over and extending downwind from the Tortolita Mountains.
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2:14 PM. Looking for ice to appear in the oldest top portions, now evaporating, top of photo. None seen.
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2:39 PM. Someone needs to get up there on top of this Cumulus congestus, drop a little dry ice in it. Nothing came out, though I thought I would feel a drop at any moment! Some sort of birds can be seen, lower right.
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3:19 PM. Looking downwind at part of the base of this Cumulus congestus cloud line that sat over Catalina for awhile. The top has the base, to the left is the “shelf cloud of Stratocumulus spreading out from other tops and drifing downwind. If precip falls out of the shelf cloud, once part of a turret, you can see I hope that it would fall out of a thicker column of dry air.

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4:01 PM. The scene before a lot writing appears on this photo.
The same photo with a lot of writing on it.
The same photo with a lot of writing on it.

The weather way ahead

While warm weather returns to AZ over the next week to12 days or so, there is now, and this goes with climo, a big trough that barges into all of the West Coast in two weeks.

When I say climo, I mean that there  is a noticeable tendency for this to happen in mid-November in the longterm upper air records so that in some areas of California, for example, there is a modest increase in the chance of rain in mid-month over other times in the month.  These kinds of things in weather are termed, “singularities” like the supposed, “January thaw” back East.  This mid-November annual trough passage may be related to the increasing speed of the jet stream in the Pacific as winter approaches, something that changes the spacing between the troughs.  Pure speculation.

But in any event, be on the lookout for a major change in weather here between the 17th and 20th of November.  Something like this is starting to show up in the models.

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1Later renamed the Cloud and Aerosol Research Group.

2Something that was  even noticed in small tradewind Cumulus in the Pacific in the 1950s by Joanne Malkus (later, Joanne Simpson) and her colleagues.

A rare day, a rare “bird”; a day in which rain only due to the collision-with-coalescence process operateddeveloped; hold the ice

Yesterday was as rare a  day in Catalina, Arizona as  seeing the marbled murrelet in Olympia, Washington.1

Why?

Our bit of rain (0.12 inches in Sutherland Heights) was only due to that formed by the collision-coalesence process, some times called the “warm rain” process, or more technically, non-brightband rain2.

No ice needed.

Usually clouds at inland locations like Arizona have so many droplets in them , a few hundred thousand per liter or more, larger drops that can collide and coalesce don’t form because the condensed water is spread over so many of them.

So I could feel the excitement out there as that frontal band got closer. Perhaps you saw the drizzle-mist rainbow on the Tortalitas, looked at cloud tops, and saw no ice.  If you said you saw some ice yesterday you were mistaken or lying to impress your friends.

Let us review yesterday in clouds:

7:36 AM. Looking toward the Tortolitas at the line of Cumulus congestus approaching Catalina. Can you see the little piece of rainbow just below those low,low cloud bases? Cloud bases were hot yesterday, 15-17° C, and thus our clouds were extra loaded with water. The warmer the base, the greater the amount of water that condenses above cloud base. The usual cloud base is around 5-10° C this time of year. Photo, of course, not taken while driving; that would be crazy. Is just "shopped" to look that way to provide an "action" setting.
7:36 AM. Looking toward the Tortolitas at the line of Cumulus congestus approaching Catalina. Can you see the little piece of rainbow just below those low,low cloud bases?  Go straight above the white dot marker in the road (Oracle).  Cloud bases were usually hot yesterday morning, 15-17° C, and,  thus.  our clouds were  loaded with extra water. The warmer the base, the greater the amount of water that condenses above cloud base. That means drops is bigger, and can reach sizes where bumping together leads to sticking, not rebound as is normal.  The usual cloud base is around 5-10° C this time of year. Photo, of course, not taken while driving; that would be crazy. Is just “shopped” to look that way to provide an “action” setting.
7:40 AM. Such a pretty scene! Can you see the little bit of lower hanging cloud below the line of Cumulus? It looked like our windshift, cold front line might be on the doorstep. Waited until afternoon to get here, though.
7:40 AM. Such a pretty scene! Can you see the little bit of lower hanging cloud below the line of Cumulus? It looked like our windshift, cold front line might be on the doorstep. Waited until afternoon to get here, though.
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7:45 AM. Here’s a closer look at those lower windshift indicating clouds to the NW yesterday. Now you KNOW the front and “FROPA” is getting close. Very exciting scene. But would it rain? No ice was visible anywhere around.
7:44 AM. In the meantime, Stratocumulus clouds gathered upwind of Catalina with light rain visible just above the horizon SW
7:44 AM. In the meantime, Stratocumulus clouds gathered upwind of Catalina with light rain visible just above the horizon SW/  Was looking for an icy top. to extrude above the Stratocu,   but didn’t see one.  You didn’t either.
7:49 AM. In the meantime, not much is going on over the Catalinas. Notice how much shallower the Stratocu are than just over there by the Tortollitas. Really showed that the lifting zone of the front was so close!
7:49 AM. In the meantime, not much is going on over the Catalinas. Notice how much shallower the Stratocu are than just over there by the Tortollitas. Really showed that the lifting zone of the front was so close!
8:22 AM. Suddenly, it was raining! All this misty rain having developed while the author wasn't paying attention. Did that Stratocumulus develop rain, or did that bit of rain above the horizon move in? Maybe this can be answered at the next club meeting.
8:22 AM. Suddenly, it was raining! If you don;t believe me there are drops on the camera lens in this photo.  All this misty rain  developed while the author, cloud maven person,  wasn’t paying attention.   Did that Stratocumulus develop rain, or did that bit of rain above the horizon move in? Maybe this can be answered at the next club meeting.
8:25 AM. Starting to lose photo control here, as things closed in, prettyness getting enhanced be passing rays of sun on the greenish Catalina Mountains. How can you not record this? Well, maybe you can go ho-hum, but no cloudcentric person could.
8:25 AM. Starting to lose photo control here, as things closed in, prettyness getting enhanced be passing rays of sun on the greenish Catalina Mountains. How can you not record this? Well, maybe you can go ho-hum, but no cloudcentric person could.
8:33 AM. By this time it was all over and 0.05 inches had been logged. Here, those raining clouds zip off to Oracle State Park and vicinity over the horizon. Still looking for icy tops, but haven't seen any, such as in those Cumulus tops, horizon left.
8:33 AM. By this time it was all over and 0.05 inches had been logged. Here, those raining clouds zip off to Oracle State Park and vicinity over the horizon. Still looking for icy tops, but haven’t seen any, such as in those Cumulus tops, horizon left.  Photos now being taken almost every minute, certainly within every five minutes.  Wondering if I need a doctor….?
8:47 AM. Rain begins to form on Pusch Ridge from low-based Cumulus clouds. The misty look, lack of a shaft, has you thinking "warm rain" all the way, Maybe of Hawaii, too.
8:47 AM. Rain begins to form on Pusch Ridge from low-based Cumulus clouds. The misty look, lack of a shaft, has you thinking “warm rain” all the way, Maybe of Hawaii, too.

Skipping a LOT of pretty scenes now…..

9:47 AM. Think how special you would think you were when this ray of sunlight bathed you for those few seconds, darkness all around.
9:47 AM. Think how special you would think you were when this ray of sunlight bathed you for those few seconds, darkness all around.
9:48 AM. Pretty much the same scenes as you've already seen over and over again, but this one has a bird in it for the sake of variety.
9:48 AM. Pretty much the same scenes as you’ve already seen over and over again, but this one has a bird in it for the sake of variety.
10:33 AM. A little break allowed some nice scenes of the Cumulus congestus on the Catalinas. Notice how low the base is. You could have been hiking in it. Very few people get to hike in the base of a Cumulus congestus cloud. You still haven't seen any sign of ice, either.
10:33 AM. A little break allowed some nice scenes of the Cumulus congestus on the Catalinas. Notice how low the base is. You could have been hiking in congestus bases yesterday!  Very few people get to hike in the base of a Cumulus congestus clouds. You still haven’t seen any sign of ice, either.
10:44 AM. Something in the way of a shaft out there over Marana/Oro Valley probably made you start to wonder, "maybe there is some ice up there?" It dissipated quickly before it arrived dropping only a few drops.
10:44 AM. Something in the way of a shaft out there over Marana/Oro Valley probably made you start to wonder, “maybe there is some ice up there?” It dissipated quickly before it arrived dropping only a few drops.  Still has hard as you and I looked, we couldn’t see any as it came and its remains went.  U of AZ computer model soundings at this time had the tops way above freezing.  In case you don’t believe me again here is a sample:

Valid for 10 AM, yesterday. Output was from the 11 PM AST model run, a diagram with a lot of writing on it.

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11:50 AM. Major windshift line now beginning to make progress toward Catalina along with a line of deeper clouds along it. Was thinking ice might be seen somehwere up there at this time, but nope.
11:50 AM. Major windshift line and fontral passage (FROPA) now beginning to make progress toward Catalina along with a line of deeper clouds along it. Was thinking ice might be seen somehwere up there at this time, but nope.
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11:52 AM. When looking for ice, you want to look at what’s ejecting from the tops of the clouds. Here, that little flat cloud above the Cumulus clouds is the “ejecta” from those showers just starting to hit the Tortolita Mountains. As you can see as a cloud maven person, it does not have a fibrous look, nor are there fine strands of ice dropping from it, as would be the case if ice was present. SO it was another piece of circumstantial evidence that ice was not involved in even those dark clouds toward the Tortolitas, ones that would eventually give us our final bit of rain here in Sutherland Heights, Catalian. This kind of cloud has sometimes been called a “water anvil.” This was a really exciting moment, though most folks would find that hard to fathom.
12 Noon. A hard shower has popped up over there toward Marana. Now here's I would have guessed these must be some ice at cloud top from the narrowness of the shaft indicating a higher cloud top than in the other nearby shower-producing clouds. Does anyone out there have an aircraft and can fly IFR? It would be great to be on standby like days like this and go take a look at cloud top heights.
12 Noon. A hard shower has popped up over there toward Marana. Now here’s I would have guessed these must be some ice at cloud top from the narrowness of the shaft indicating a higher cloud top than in the other nearby shower-producing clouds. Does anyone out there have an aircraft and can fly IFR? It would be great to be on standby like days like this and go take a look at cloud top heights.
12:38 PM. Stratocumulus, in one of its best presentations. The rest of the day was overcast, cool with a period of light rain around 2 PM, with the temperature dropping to a remarkable 58° F here in Catalina. Our final rain total was a respectable 0.12 inches.
12:38 PM. Stratocumulus, in one of its better  presentations;  lumpy and widespread.

 

The rest of the day was overcast, cool with a period of light rain around 2 PM, with the temperature dropping to a remarkable 58° F here in Catalina.

The last TUS sounding seemed to confirm this unusual rain day, indicating that the stratiform tops near and over the site were at 0° C.

 

The TUS rawinsonde, launched around 3:30 PM yesterday. Cloud tops would be where the two lines, temperature and dewpoint temperature, separate.
Here’s pretty much what the balloon went up through: The TUS rawinsonde, launched around 3:30 PM yesterday. Cloud tops would be where the two lines, temperature and dewpoint temperature, separate.
4:04 PM. Looking toward Pusch Ridge and Tucson.
4:04 PM. Looking toward Pusch Ridge and Tucson.

Our final rain total in Sutherland Heights was a respectable 0.12 inches from a rarely observed event.  0.47 inches fell on Ms. Lemmon for the highest amount around.

Might add more later, but am quitting now to go “lunge” and ride a horse..

PS:  I have added more, re-written some not so great “formulations”…

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1If upon reading that sentence you would like bail on reading about clouds and rain here in Arizona and read about that bird, please consult:

Rare Bird:  In search of the marbled murrelet

2When steady rain is occurring,   returns have a bright band, or a augmented return from the layer in the atmosphere where snow is melting into rain.  On days like yesterday, throughout the Tropics, along the West Coast, among many places, non-brightband rain is fairly common.  Typically it falls from  clouds with tops warmer than -5° C.  Ice usually onsets at temperatures between -5° and -10° C in such clouds.  Hawaii is a good example where “warm rain” produces most of the prodigious rain totals there on the windward slopes, such as that at Mt Waialeale on the Island of Kuwai where the average rainfall is more than 450 inches!

“Tweener” era begins today after pre-dawn sprinkles; one photo has birds in it

We’ll have to suffer through  a few days for the next storm, i. e., experience sunny weather with pleasant temperatures.  Its amazing that people all over America come to Tucson to experience sunny days with pleasant temperatures!

0.45 inches total in The Heights of Catalina in this latest round of rain, sounds of rain.    Actually, there was also some tiny graupel/soft hail in the rain yesterday, too.

Graupel indicates a lot of cloud droplet water overhead, and that ice crystals were colliding with them until they lost their identity and became little snowballs.  In regions where there are very few ice crystals,  graupel and the harder version,  hail often form.   Its likely that nearly all those rain drops that came down with the little baby graupel were melted graupels.

Graupels…..   Makes me think of that rock group, Led Graupelin, didn’t have the impact of Led Zepelin.  But I have LG’s one and only album entitled, “Compare to Led Zepelin.”   Was only $2.99, too!  Where’s my guitar?  I think I will play, “Stairwell to Heaven” now…

When graupel or hail occur,  there’s a pretty good electric charge up there in those Cumulonimbus clouds.  Its best to be indoors when its hailing until you know if a strike might occur (if there hasn’t been one already).  Besides, its not comfortable being out in hail.   And if you were listening to the rain, you heard a few blasts of thunder toward Lemmon around 2 PM that came out of one of the more enthusiastic Cumulonimbus clouds that went by.  Got 0.12 inches total to add to the night before’s rain of 0.33 inches.

Yesterday in clouds; a sojourn in clouds from morning to evening, in that order with no times noted

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I know how much you like to see pictures of rain, so here’s one. You’re not like the “others” are you those people around you every day?

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DSC_1569Then the piston of atmospheric subsidence slammed down to squash our Cumulus cloud tops to levels and temperatures where ice could not form….

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Two picures in a row of a NWS-style rain gauge. Probably has never been done before. Has been getting a workout lately.  Everyone should have one.

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The weather ahead

Kind of funny to see the Canadian GEM model internally plagiarize itself.  Compare last night’s panel at 500 millibars (below) with that same level’s panel  foretold for six days from now.

Yep, its the same thing over again in six days, though with less rain IMO:ann yesterday at 5 PM AST

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Valid on Tuesday, November 10th at 5 PM AST.  From the Canadians.

In another interesting model development, the best USA model, the WRF-GFS is having an internal CONFLICT of major proportions.  Check these progs out generated by data only six hours apart.  The first one, showing a big trough coming into Cal, was generated by global data taken at 5 PM AST last evening.  The panel below it was generated by the same model based on global data taken just six hours later, at 11 PM AST (so it the most recent WRF output available) and has a big ridge along the California coast.

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Valid at 5 PM AST November 20th.

“Which one will the fountain choose?”, to quote old song lyrics1:

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Valid at 11 PM AST November 20th.  From IPS MeteoStar.

Of course, spaghetti tells us which one is right, mostly.

 

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1Except that here we present only two “coins” not three.